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Comparison · This Pack vs Cup-Test v4

Pour BX-01 first. This page shows how cup-test v4 and the 29 Sep Rev. F file differ. Do not blend any of them into one pour.

Rev. F (other AI) — withdrawn pours

Point Rev. F This pack
Closed-cell polyols TB-307 + PE 104 + TEROL + PE 103 stacked One high-OH drum and one flow drum + PD 230
Closed-cell mix 50 g A : 50 g B by raising water to 2.09 BX-01 = 50.00 g B + 41.40 g A at index 125
Closed-cell cats K-15 / DMCHA / K-KAT / bismuth PC-15 / 2040 / CAT-T / PC-37
Open-cell A-side Wanted 1:1 later; A left blank BX-02 = 65.65 g A · OC-01 = 196.6 g A

BX-01 Best Best New

The formula others do not publish: TB-307 f = 2.5 instead of Mannich, TEROL 250 aromatic instead of extra TCPP, PO cats instead of K-15 / DMCHA. HFO-1233zd(E) 10.0 is mandatory. Faster cream/gel (3–6 s / 8–15 s). Water 1.20. Index 125 → 83 A : 100 B. Run this first.

Cup-test v4 (ChatGPT)

R&D cup plan on CREAPOL 326 / 1500 / PD 230, plus KIMSPRAY 065 LDO / 066 H2C benchmarks. OC is polyether-heavy. CC already includes 10% HFO-1233zd(E) and a K-15 / DMCHA / bismuth set.

What only BX-01 has

Point BX-01 Best This pack CC-01 Cup-test v4 CC
Network TB-307 / PE 104 41.3 (f = 2.5) TB-307 / PE 104 35.5 Mannich / sucrose 22.0 + CREAPOL 326 20.0
Flow / fire polyester TEROL 250 / PE 103 24.8 TEROL 250 / PE 103 24.0 CREAPOL 1500 20.0
Mannich None None Required
HFO in the base HFO-1233zd(E) 10.0 — mandatory Must add 10.0 HFO; do not pour water-only HFO-1233zd(E) 10.0
Water 1.20 2.0 1.1
TCPP 6.0 + TEP 4.0 (aromatic does fire work) 12.0 + TEP 6.5 + rFR 5.0 TCPP 13.0 only
Catalysts PC-15 1.45, 2040 1.10, CAT-T 0.55, PC-37 0.35 — faster cream/gel PC-15 1.30, 2040 1.00, CAT-T 0.25, PC-37 0.15 K-15 / DMCHA / XK-614 / MB-20
Mix 83 A : 100 B at index 125 · water 18.07 + polyols 48.17 at index 100, then ×1.25 90 A : 100 B at index 120 · water 30.11 + polyols 45.03 at index 100, then ×1.20. With HFO: 79.3 A / 109.4 B ~100 : 100 after OH check, HFO in

Open cell · OC-01

Point This pack Cup-test v4 Read
Main polyols Sucrose 33.0. No CREAPOL in OC-01. Polyether 1 24.0 + polyether 2 22.0 + sucrose 15.0 + CREAPOL 1500 5.0 Different backbone
Water 24.0 4.5 v4 is much drier
Flame retardant TEP 17.0 + reactive FR 8.0 TCPP 23.0 Different FR package
Amine catalysts 10.0 (PC-37 2.4, CAT-T 2.4, PC-15 4.2, BDMAEE 1.0) 3.0 split as blow 1.5 / gel 1.0 / cure 0.5 (same types: BDMAEE, CAT-T, PC-37, PC-15, DABCO 2040) Same family, much lower dose
Emulsifier / opener Ecosurf SA-9 6.0 Emulsifier / cell opener 2.0 Lower in v4
Silicone 1.2 1.5 Close
Biocide 0.8 Not listed Only in this pack
Target density 7–12 kg/m³ 18–24 kg/m³ (KIMSPRAY 065 LDO ~22) v4 is denser / more commercial
Cream / gel / rise 2–5 s / — / 8–15 s 4–6 s / 9–12 s / 16–22 s v4 is slower, spray-like
Open-cell target < 10 % closed > 95 %, ideally > 97 % Both want open cells
Index Lab 100 (calc.) · 393 A : 100 B. 50 g B takes 196.6 g A. Not 1:1. Later series 100 / 105 / 110 after OH check This pack now pays the 24-water NCO; v4 is nearer 1:1 because water is 4.5

Closed cell · CC-01

Point This pack Cup-test v4 Read
High-OH rigid polyester ISOEXTER TB-307 / KIMpol PE 104 35.5 — replaces CREAPOL 326 GP CREAPOL 326 GP 20.0 This pack uses more high-OH polyester
Flow polyester TEROL 250 / KIMpol PE 103 24.0 — replaces CREAPOL 1500 CREAPOL 1500 20.0 Same role, close dose
CREAPOL PD 230 7.0 9.2 Same modifier
Mannich / sucrose polyol Not in CC-01 22.0 — main high-func. rigid polyol v4 needs an extra polyol
Polyester total 66.5 (TB 307 + Terol 250 + PD 230) 49.2 (CREAPOL 326 / 1500 / PD 230) This pack is more polyester-heavy
TCPP 12.0 + TEP 6.5 + reactive FR 5.0 TCPP 13.0 only This pack has a wider FR split
Physical blowing agent HFO mandatory. Prefer BX-01. If this screen: +10 HFO, water 1.4 HFO-1233zd(E) 10.0 in the base v4 starts as HFO hybrid
Water 2.0 1.1 v4 lower CO₂
Silicone 1.4 1.5 Close
Catalysts PC-15 1.30, DABCO 2040 1.00, CAT-T 0.25, PC-37 0.15 K-15 0.70, DMCHA 1.00, secondary amine 0.70, XK-614 0.50, MB-20 0.30 Different catalyst set
Target density 28–40 kg/m³ 35–40 kg/m³ (KIMSPRAY 066 H2C ~38) Overlap at 35–40
Cream / gel / rise 8–15 s / 25–45 s / — · tack-free 40–70 s 4–6 s / 9–12 s / 16–22 s v4 is faster, closer to 066 H2C
Index / mix 120 calc. → 90.2 g A / 100 g B (water 30.11 + polyols 45.03 at index 100, then ×1.20). Water 1.4 + 10 HFO → 79.3 g A / 109.4 g B Index series 105 / 110 / 115 after OH check. Cup ~100 g A + 100 g B This pack is 90:100 after the floor-grade re-index
Cost note in v4 Not priced on this page CREAPOL $2.40/kg; TCPP ~$0.948/kg. Known items ≈ $130.40 / 100 kg B (HFO and cats not included) Price only in v4

A-side check · water NCO then polyol OH

Card Water → A at index 100 Polyols → A at index 100 Pour
BX-011.20 → 18.07 g48.17 g82.8 g A / 100 g B at 125 · 50 g cup = 41.40 g A
BX-025.20 → 78.29 g46.76 g131.3 g A / 100 g B at 105 · 50 g cup = 65.65 g A
OC-0124.0 → 361.3 g31.9 g393 g A / 100 g B at 100 · 50 g cup = 196.6 g A · not 1:1
OC-0220.0 → 301.1 g33.0 g334 g A / 100 g B at 100 · 200 g B trial · B-side now 100 pbw with TEP 4.9
CC-012.00 → 30.11 g45.03 g90.2 g A / 100 g B at 120 · emulsifier 3.9 fills 100 pbw

What to do in the lab

Keep from this pack

Pour BX-01 first. Use CC-01 only if BX-01 is too tight. Use BX-02 if sucrose is on the floor. Use OC-01 only as the high-water memo screen. Do not pour Rev. F CC-F1.

Take from cup-test v4

If Mannich/sucrose, polyethers, HFO-1233zd, K-15 / DMCHA and a KIMSPRAY-style target are available, v4 OC (water 4.5, density 18–24) and v4 CC (HFO 10, water 1.1, density 35–40) are closer to commercial spray. Run both bases as 100 g B-side cups and keep one variable at a time.

Closed-cell HFO-1233zd(E) is mandatory. This pack uses one TB-307 or PE 104 drum and one TEROL 250 or PE 103 drum. Cup-test v4 still writes the Flokser names and a different catalyst set. Do not blend the two OC-01 formulas into one pour.
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